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Teifi-Terrorist
24-06-2008, 11:18
With a full week of guiding ahead of me I thought I'd make the most of the free time, even though most rivers are still falling and clearing after the last bit of water.
Definitely the right choice, and very glad I did!! Managed this pearler last night, a 12lbs cock-fish, which was safely returned.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/jonessteffan/IMG_4511-800.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/jonessteffan/IMG_4512-800.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/jonessteffan/IMG_4514-800.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/jonessteffan/IMG_4516-800.jpg
Not the best photos, but you get the idea. Extremely chuffed with the fish, as you can imagine.
Only take I had all night, but boy was it worth waiting for! |\
Steff.
That's a cracker Steff. Nice one.
woodcockandsewin
24-06-2008, 11:42
Another excerpt from the "Poacher Jones and the Sea Trout Snorum" saga...why can't you just catch a few shoalies like the rest of us??
With a full week of guiding ahead of me I thought I'd make the most of the free time, even though most rivers are still falling and clearing after the last bit of water.
Definitely the right choice, and very glad I did!! Managed this pearler last night, a 12lbs cock-fish, which was safely returned.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b129/jonessteffan/IMG_4511-800.jpg
Not the best photos, but you get the idea.
Not the best photos...disagree...David Bailey certainly picked out your best features in this one...though personally, I would have pruned the top a little harder!!
So just to be clear - is that your 4th double this year?!?!
springwell
24-06-2008, 13:20
That's a cracker Steff. Nice one.
Hi D. nice to see you over here. |\
Steff, lovely fish, are you totally nocturnal now ?
See you around.
Bill :)
Philrich
24-06-2008, 14:12
Beauty mate.
Very nice, what I'd do for a 12lb cock...........
Here's hoping to be on the receiving end very soon!
S
Great stuff Steff. 4 doubles before July is not bad at all...
steelheadnut
24-06-2008, 15:59
Very nice, what I'd do for a 12lb cock...........
Here's hoping to be on the receiving end very soon!
S
Funny that, it's what the missus says :@ :> :> :> :> :>
Nice fish there though
Cap
Teifi-Terrorist
24-06-2008, 16:20
Thanks for the comments gents. :)
That's a cracker Steff. Nice one.
Great to see you on here mate, thanks for joining. Hope you're keeping well.
So just to be clear - is that your 4th double this year?!?!
Yeah :o right place right time. Bloody good season thus far! :>
Steff, lovely fish, are you totally nocturnal now ?
Not yet Bill, put a couple of nights in, but nothing too serious yet. A few nights guiding coming up now, so that's going to keep me off them for a while! :)
Very nice, what I'd do for a 12lb cock...........
Here's hoping to be on the receiving end very soon!
S
:>
Steff.
WOW!....You said it was a beauty ~:.
You'll have to go some to get a better one than that this year! - Stunning looking fish.
Nice one you!.|\
DAZ
EDIT] Forgot to add - Jammy ####!
stargazer
24-06-2008, 17:47
Lovely fish Steff,i bet you'll gladly swop lots of takes for just 1 a night if thats the end result:>
SG
teififlies
24-06-2008, 18:30
Nice fish Steff, great prportions!
Tf
Waddington
24-06-2008, 19:05
That really is a cracker Steff, well done:>. Would it be rude to ask which river you caught it on?
Phil
Leighton
24-06-2008, 19:11
Well done again Steff,
There aint no stopping you, Da iwn !!
Fish of dreams that, thats made my mind up for going out for a dabble tonight!! Getting up at 0545 wont be that great though, heres hoping for a quiet day in work tomorow then!!
Tight lines,
Leighton
speycaster
24-06-2008, 21:07
thats one of the nicest looking fish i have seen for a long time well done TT
watermole
24-06-2008, 21:56
....Just the one then..? :>
...Only kidding Steff,-magnificent fish..well done!
David.
goldhead
24-06-2008, 22:40
fantastic fish -well worth waiting for-goldhead
sewinfly
26-06-2008, 11:59
Excellent fish Steff.
sewinfly........
Super one Steff... |\
TL's
Ian
Da iawn Steff, another beuty.
Tight Lines
Aled
fredaevans
02-07-2008, 19:36
It is a beautiful fish, no doubt about that. But if you intended to return the fish to the river why did you even take it out of the water? Post photo's like that on a US based fishing board and you'd get a 'ration of poop' thrown your way.
Majority of folks here would have left the fish in the water, taken the picks, and then turned him/her loose.
Leighton
02-07-2008, 20:58
It is a beautiful fish, no doubt about that. But if you intended to return the fish to the river why did you even take it out of the water? Post photo's like that on a US based fishing board and you'd get a 'ration of poop' thrown your way.
Majority of folks here would have left the fish in the water, taken the picks, and then turned him/her loose.
With no intention of sparking up a big debate here, but I dont really see a problem with taking a few quick photos & returning the fish asap.
I would imagine that the fish was handled & treated with care & respect.
Thats my personal take on it.
fredaevans
02-07-2008, 21:27
I would imagine that the fish was handled & treated with care & respect.
Thats my personal take on it.
(:,
Problem is fish 'internals' are designed to be supported by the surrounding water so taking them out really puts a strain on their internal organs (removing the protective 'slime' aside).
Game regulations here (at least in Washington and Oregon) require you to leave the fish in the water if your not going to keep same. Even pulling the fish on to the gravel/sand bank is considered a 'no-no' as it will/can remove the fishes protective 'slime.'
Fred
Teifi-Terrorist
03-07-2008, 17:16
Thanks for the comments gents.
Fred; I net the fish, unhook the fish on grass or gravel if it's too big to do when mid-river etc. Take some pics, support the fish in the water until it is strong enough to swim off, then smile at my capture as it swims off into the deeps. This system works for me. Personally I find this as being more than acceptable, and is the system I will continue to do over the forthcoming season/s.
Each to their own. ;)
TT.
fredaevans
04-07-2008, 22:05
Each to their own. ;)
TT.
Just don't take the fish out of the water here in the PNW. A big 'no-no.'::
Fred,
From what I have seen on TV of steelhead fishing in the US it seems that few anglers carry a net, or if they do its one of the very small laminated wood handled ones [this also appears to apply to many guides].
As a result the fish are played untill they can be handled [although the sight of an angler trying to handline a large & lively fish because he was a bit premature in grabbing the leader is always exciting!]. For night fishing for Sewin [particularly large ones] a net is preferable as the fish can be netted & brought under control at an earlier stage before its energies are fully spent - thus resulting in a much shorter recovery period for the fish & a higher probability of a successful recovery. [Also trying to grab the leader in the dark would be ''challanging'' to say the least].
I agree in daylight the fish could be unhooked in the net whilst in the water, but night fishing demands a torch to do this & any light on the water risks spoiling the fishing [which is not acceptable on public association water, in particular, where others could be waiting to follow you down the pool], therefore standard practice is to head for the bank & lay the fish [ in the net] on soft grass etc before heading back to the water for the release. This works well, & remember that by UK law all landing nets have to be of the soft, knotless knitted varity which minimises damage to the fish - possibly less than trying to hang on to a active fish by hand whilst un-hooking it.
For US anglers an ideal compromise would be to use a big knotless net but to unhook the fish in the river in daylight, thus putting the least possible stress on the fish of all.
Best wishes, Tyke.
fredaevans
07-07-2008, 14:44
Fred,
From what I have seen on TV of steelhead fishing in the US it seems that few anglers carry a net, or if they do its one of the very small laminated wood handled ones [this also appears to apply to many guides].
As a result the fish are played untill they can be handled [although the sight of an angler trying to handline a large & lively fish because he was a bit premature in grabbing the leader is always exciting!]. For night fishing for Sewin [particularly large ones] a net is preferable as the fish can be netted & brought under control at an earlier stage before its energies are fully spent - thus resulting in a much shorter recovery period for the fish & a higher probability of a successful recovery. [Also trying to grab the leader in the dark would be ''challanging'' to say the least].
I agree in daylight the fish could be unhooked in the net whilst in the water, but night fishing demands a torch to do this & any light on the water risks spoiling the fishing [which is not acceptable on public association water, in particular, where others could be waiting to follow you down the pool], therefore standard practice is to head for the bank & lay the fish [ in the net] on soft grass etc before heading back to the water for the release. This works well, & remember that by UK law all landing nets have to be of the soft, knotless knitted varity which minimises damage to the fish - possibly less than trying to hang on to a active fish by hand whilst un-hooking it.
For US anglers an ideal compromise would be to use a big knotless net but to unhook the fish in the river in daylight, thus putting the least possible stress on the fish of all.
Best wishes, Tyke.
Very few 'bank anglers' will carry a net, save for the situation where they're not moving around from run to run. On a boat, it's rare one that doesn't have a net on board. Loved this line: " [Also trying to grab the leader in the dark would be ''challenging'' to say the least]." I can well imagine!! Actually, most areas where you'd find Steelhead (PNW, BC, etc.,) you can only fish from one hour before dawn to one hour after (anti-snagging regulation).
"For US anglers an ideal compromise would be to use a big knotless net but to unhook the fish in the river in daylight, thus putting the least possible stress on the fish of all."
Usual 'trick' to release a fish is to leave him/her in the water and take a stout set of forceps or 'needle-nose' pliers and grab the hook and pop it out. If too well hooked (pulling would damage the fish) we'll just cut the leader next to the hook. Carbon steel hooks will 'rot out' on their own in a mater of a few days.
And I agree, a properly netted fish is actually being well supported if the fish is removed from the water. That said, the idea of shuffling along a river bottom in the dark doesn't sound like my cup of tea. You guys "get an unexpected bath" very often?:eek:
fae
Fred,
as we tend to fish familiar beats & therefor know the bottom contours pretty well this doesn't happen too often [although the first wade of a new season down after big winter floods & gravel movements can be exciting - I generally try to do this in daylight at the start of the season, but its not always possible],however I have noted, more than once, that it can be rather chilly in April !
What we do get, increasingly, is an unplaned gentle shower caused by walking thru an unseen patch of thistles in the dark in yet another pair of useless overpriced breathable chest waders - oh the joy, I've got 4 pairs & 3 of them now leak to some extent. [I'm so scared of Knackering the last pair that I'm only going to wear them indoors from now on.... but enough of the kinky stuff !]
One good thing about night fishing - no one can see well enough to critisize my lousy casting with a single handed rod [ I prefer 'em about 16ft for daylight work after salmon on a sizable river in Scotland] , but the fun of a big seatrout in the dark here on the Towy makes it all worth while, if ever you get over here you should give it a go.
Best wishes, Tyke,
Ugie Fisher
31-12-2008, 00:10
As we would say in peterhead " what a stoter" great fish steff. Is that an airlite you are fishing with? is it any good?
Teifi-Terrorist
05-01-2009, 20:35
Hi Ugie Fisher,
yes, it sure is. I can't say that I have given it a true bashing as yet, but the first season went by with me being quite impressed with both the airlite rods and reels. I probably prefered my slightly softer HLS, but somebody decided to dismantle that in a car door last year! ~# :>
The airlite reels are quite big in relative terms, but look the part and I'm more than happy thus far. The airlite reels were an upgrade from the T7's I had before, which did eventually start to play-up in the drag department, which was quite common by all accounts, unfortunately.
TT.
TT
can i ask you what reel would u buy if u were buying a reel at the moment
im thinking bout the shimano biocraft
i want to get something decent sick of crap reels
Ugie Fisher
06-01-2009, 23:10
TT, i had the same problem with the drag but with the T6 so now i have a T7 but want to get a new one so we shall see what comes through the door in the deals.:> About the rods do you prefer to fish with a soft rod like a Diawa or a stiffer rod like a G.loomis because i have seen people withboth sides and they both have good point for and against?
Teifi-Terrorist
13-01-2009, 10:16
TT
can i ask you what reel would u buy if u were buying a reel at the moment
im thinking bout the shimano biocraft
i want to get something decent sick of crap reels
Hey Zulu, a reply to your email will be with you today ;) as for the reels; the shimano isn't a bad reel at all, actually they have rarely made a bad reel. For the value terms some of the okumas are also worth looking at, and for a mid-priced reel I don't think you'd go far wrong with the new airlites - it's the spare spool price that often kills the deal with these mid-range metal reels though. Another option is the snowbee XSD. I got these for some of the boys that came on the Grande trip last year, and I was really impressed with them for the money. Check this offer out:
http://www.sportfish.co.uk/product/35216/Snowbee_XSD_Cartridge_System.html
£55 for the reel and 4 spare spools! With extra spare spools being just £5.60!
TT, i had the same problem with the drag but with the T6 so now i have a T7 but want to get a new one so we shall see what comes through the door in the deals.:> About the rods do you prefer to fish with a soft rod like a Diawa or a stiffer rod like a G.loomis because i have seen people withboth sides and they both have good point for and against?
Hey UF,
I hate fast/tippy rods for night-time sea-trout fishing, they do more harm than good! The people that usually argue the point for the fast rods pontificate that they kill fish easier/quicker. Bollocks! If you get a middle-tip rod with a backbone (and that's where the killing section would come from) then it will kill a fish faster than a tippy rod, because the whole length progressively loads into the fish, and will subdue the fish quicker. With a tippy rod, unless you are really using excessive force, you tend to only have a couple of feet really working for you, compared to the softer rod where the blank will just keep progressively bending as needed.
Further to that, the softer rod doesn't tear out the hook-hold, which a fast/tippy rod tends to do - the softer rod acts as a shock-absorber, counteracting the lunges of the fish, whereas the faster rod meets force with force, with the inevitable consequence.
Also, the faster/tippy rod tends to throw tighter loops than the softer rod that would open up the casting loop, this, in turn, leads to more tangles, which is the last thing you want at night. The softer rod also makes for easier roll casting. All in all I would leave the fast rods for daytime fishing, or lake fishing for rainbows! But this is just my view! :>
Having said that, I certainly wouldn't go for a through action blank, as this goes to the other extreme, and casting large flies etc. becomes a real pain. A decent middle to tip action is the key, and the blank action that I would always look out for in a decent sea-trout rod.
TT.
Ugie Fisher
15-01-2009, 00:16
Well TT, i have to say that i agree with you 100% on that. I use an 11'3"#7 Diawa Whisker at night and it is magic for freash fun fish because they have softer mouthes, and the rod is so soft a bend gets put in it with the wind blowing on the blank. But i was just cheking to see if you had any more to add to the argument that has put a "damper" on a losts of nights on the ugie debating. Some very interesting points
Cheers UF