Sewincaster lines

[Salarex]

Steffan, I am going to bite the bullet and get myself a couple of these lines. Can't afford the full set, but thinking of getting two of them. I understand the importance of searching the layers, but I am divided as to whether it is better to get the Intermediate and the Medium or the Intermediate and the Fast sinker. Will continue to use my airflo floater despite it's memory...

I predominantly fish in the warmer months, so am inclined to go for the I & M, but am also wondering about whether the Fast would give a greater range of options, like being able to get into some pots, and fishing it in shallower water with a bouyant fly and short leader.

What would you suggest would give the greater range of armoury?

Thanks in advance! :>

[Salmonella]

I understand the importance of searching the layers, but I am divided as to whether it is better to get the Intermediate and the Medium or the Intermediate and the Fast sinker. Will continue to use my airflo floater despite it's memory...

Hi Salarex,

I was in exactly the same situation. for my SLT #8

I opted for the 15' of type 3 and the deep 24' of type 6 :}


I don't regret my choice, but then I've got a Cortland #9 15' clear int tip on a back-up rod.

Fishing the deep line gives me the most satisfaction;|\ however I suspect most everyone else will tell you to get the other two options.~#


Ella~:.

[Salarex]

You're using that dodgy smilie, Ella!!! :}

Thanks for the info - fascinated by what you mean about more satisfaction with the deep line. Is it that it allows you to try more methods?

Any chance of using the intermediate on reservoirs or is the presentation a little rough?

[Teifi-Terrorist]

Hi Rex,

I have found the clear tip to be an excellent if not better substitute for night fishing and river fishing in general, as opposed to the cortland ghost-tip, which is a cracking line. Further to that, I have great use of the di-3 tip, and that's a nice alternative and option to have in the bag.

If I'm honest I really haven't found an use for the di-6 24ft head as yet (probably due to the low levels and flows of late), and it's definitely on the extreme end of the night fishing armoury. As for the floater, it's a nice line, and worth getting if you haven't got a decent floater.

All told, I would probably opt for the intermediate and di-3 tips. Fishing these 2 lines alone with a good set of flies or varying weights and sizes will allow you to cover nearly all situations.

Steff.

[Salmonella]

Hi Rex,

I have found the clear tip to be an excellent if not better substitute for night fishing and river fishing in general, as opposed to the cortland ghost-tip, which is a cracking line. Further to that, I have great use of the di-3 tip, and that's a nice alternative and option to have in the bag. (:, (:, (:,


You're using that dodgy smilie, Ella!!! :}~# ~# ~#

Sorry - not used to the new smilies on here, here's another:?

Thanks for the info - fascinated by what you mean about more satisfaction with the deep line. Is it that it allows you to try more methods?

It's twofold - same methods, a bit stronger/heavier with a slightly larger fly; just covering the same water again, especially the hot-spots.;)

Or you could ask if you can follow someone else as they fish down :}~#.:/:}.:/



Ella:?

[speycaster]

i to have the sewincaster lines, intermediate and the type 3 sink but i stick to my shaky worcestshire 8 weight for my floating work

[DAZ]

All told, I would probably opt for the intermediate and di-3 tips. Fishing these 2 lines alone with a good set of flies or varying weights and sizes will allow you to cover nearly all situations.

Steff.

Yep! (:, mate.

DAZ.

[Moonshadow]

Got to say for me the floater is an absolute joy to use,makes shooting line from the hand easy and does not tend to tangle. Whichever lines you choose I think you will be happy with them.

Moonshadow

[Salarex]

Thank you all for your comments - have ordered the intermediate and Di3, look forward to trying them out at the end of the month :>

[fredaevans]

As is frequently the case, equipment you folks have on your side of the pond isn't sold (or only through very obscure fishing shops) here in the US. Can someone post up a link to these lines so I can have a look?

Thanks in Advance,

fae

[SJF, Simon]

As is frequently the case, equipment you folks have on your side of the pond isn't sold (or only through very obscure fishing shops) here in the US. Can someone post up a link to these lines so I can have a look?

Thanks in Advance,

fae

here you go:-

clicly link for Sewincaster Lines Distributor (http://www.wellardandscott.co.uk/products/fly-fishing/fly-lines/sea-trout/g196)

[fredaevans]

Thank you sir, as I suspected a 'UK' only product (at least per the dealer list).
Fred

[ACW]

Fred ,
will be testing one this coming sunday, Sewin Mafia member joining me on "my"bit of chalkstream for some trouting !And of course tackletarting !!!|\

[Salmonella]

Thank you sir, as I suspected a 'UK' only product (at least per the dealer list).
Fred

Yes - it's a bit of a 'niche' product.

However I don't see why Wellard & Scott shouldn't be able to export one to you at a (VAT) tax free price.

It should be great for steelhead on the Rogue. What single hand #8 rod do you use?


Ella

[fredaevans]

posted on the web site? We have easy access to the Teeny (sp?) Nymph lines (and have used them on my single handers for 20 years) and they're excellent in getting down, deep, and right now.

Wonder (allowed) if these are a UK variant on the theme?:?

As an aside, the 'Teeny Nymph' fly is one of the simplest you can tie; but effective? This one fly actually made the man 'rich.'

[speycaster]

here you are fred that should do it [
www.wellardandscott.co.uk then go to fly fishing on the left hand side then products by name hit the ,s, and it should pop up
billyp

[WCB]

Fred if you want one or the set let me know and i will pick them up for you from W&S and send on foc.
I fished with one last night on the Taw and it was great for roll casting and one haul and flick type of casting.
There was a wicked bright moon last night and around 11.30 the temperature dropped and a mist came off the water so no fish.

Fred pm sent.

WCB

[tone-s]

If the last 15 feet of line is underwater (to varying depths) surely it all has to be dragged out first, presumably with a couple of roll casts? Isn't this a bit tiresome before every new cast?

I'm fairly new to all this, can a sink rate of 2 inches per second actually make that much difference to the depth of the fly, especially if the river has a good bit of flow? It may get down after a while, but not where it matters...?

Be gentle with me fellas!

[Teifi-Terrorist]

Hi Tone-S,

valid questions, so thanks for raising them.

The predicament of having to lift the sinking section out of the water is something that would happen on any line other than a floating line. However, it would be a lot easier on a sink-tip compared to a full sinker, due to there only being the 15ft etc. underwater, with that being gradually descending rather than all being deep, which, again, lends for easier lifting when the cast has reached its extremity. Indeed, after the cast has reached is extremity and you have finished the retrieve you rarely find that you have to roll cast the tip up etc. especially so on the intermediate tip.

A sink rate of 2 inches per second can definitely make a difference. It's surprising how long it takes to finish one drift at times, this may take some 20-30 seconds, or even more. Even getting a line that just cuts through the surface film can be enough on some nights.

If you have a good flow and need to drop the fly into a deep pot then chances are you wouldn't use a line that sinks at 2 inches a second. Having said that, you could, especially when you team it with some heavy flies. The angle of the cast also comes into play - if you knew a good spot and you wanted the line to fish deeper, then you would just change the angle and cast the line and flies further upstream and let it drift and sink until it hit the spot you wanted to fish, then the retrieve etc, can begin.

The secret is not to look at the sink rate as a hard rule, look at it and then vary the weight of the flies, that would hold you in better stead.

TT.

[Salarex]

Tone, I don't pretend to be an expert, but this is what I think I have picked up as a general rule from the experts on here - thought I would re-hash them so they can pick it over!

Go through the pool first of all with a surface line but not floating lure.

Go through it a second time with an intermediate

Again with a medium sinker and again with fast sink

So you search through the layers. The sewin will be at a specific layer in the water, depending on temperature, pressure, and god knows what esle :) Depending on the depth of the pool, you may wish to accentuate the depth variation by using flies of different weights.

Not clear on what stage you put on a floating fly, but would probably do it before putting on a different line as I am lazy - so htis is probably not a good idea.

[fredaevans]

Fred if you want one or the set let me know and i will pick them up for you from W&S and send on foc.
I fished with one last night on the Taw and it was great for roll casting and one haul and flick type of casting.
There was a wicked bright moon last night and around 11.30 the temperature dropped and a mist came off the water so no fish.

Fred pm sent.

WCB

Vast majority of my fishing is with 2-handers so my one handers see little actual on water time. But I greatly appreciate the kind offer.

Fred

[woodcockandsewin]

Fred,

I use the Teeny D and XD range on a double hander, (and they are as similar to sewincaster as I have used,) and find them nicer to use than a full sinker.

I have used sewincaster for last season and this, and am delighted with both the casting, control and catching caracteristics of them. (Must be time for a Campari and Cranberry!!)

W&S

[Teifi-Terrorist]

Totally agree, was watching W&S casting with one the other night, and he was getting at least half way across the river! Which seems to have doubled his casting distance, amazing! :}

TT. :>

[woodcockandsewin]

TT,

Are you referring to the lines or the Campari and Cranberry chasers?{;

W&S

[Salmonella]

Fred,

I use the Teeny D and XD range on a double hander, (and they are as similar to sewincaster as I have used,) and find them nicer to use than a full sinker.

I hate to pick another argument; but I think 'our friend' is talking bollox.:: :: ::


I have a Teeney XD-550 - It's a brute to cast; no way can it be compered to the 'sweet-casting' Sewincaster.



Ella

[Teifi-Terrorist]

TT,

Are you referring to the lines or the Campari and Cranberry chasers?{;

W&S

touché :@

TT.

[woodcockandsewin]

I hate to pick another argument; but I think 'our friend' is talking bollox.:: :: ::


I have a Teeney XD-550 - It's a brute to cast; no way can it be compered to the 'sweet-casting' Sewincaster.



Ella

Ella,

I have an XD500 which flies out on a 15' Norway, IMHO tailor made for spey casting as well as punching OH into the strongest of winds. It's hardly the finesse of single handed casting, but it creates the nearest comparison I have come across so far.

W&S

[Salmonella]

TT,

Are you referring to the lines or the Campari and Cranberry chasers?{;

W&S


I'd had far too much WKD blue yesterday:}

I really wish my laptop wouldn't switch on when I've been partying:o :o :o


Ella,

I have an XD500 which flies out on a 15' Norway, IMHO tailor made for spey casting as well as punching OH into the strongest of winds. It's hardly the finesse of single handed casting, but it creates the nearest comparison I have come across so far.

W&S

In the cold light of day; I can see the comparison.

Both our Jim Teeney lines have 9 ips sink rates:} :} :}

http://www.flyfishusa.com/lines/teeny-lines.html

Your 500 having a 24' tip whilst my 550 has a 30' tip.
I've never really fished with it; having bought it as a "just in case line" for very high water.


Back to Sewincaster lines. Somehow or other, I managed to break/snap the line in the back welded loop when changing lines. I didn't put a lot of strain on it; a bit puzzling, but I may have trodden on it.
Does anyone know what the breaking strain on this running line should be?


Ella

[Teifi-Terrorist]

Back to Sewincaster lines. Somehow or other, I managed to break/snap the line in the back welded loop when changing lines. I didn't put a lot of strain on it; a bit puzzling, but I may have trodden on it.
Does anyone know what the breaking strain on this running line should be?

Ella


Bugger! not good news Ella ::

Which lines was it? I think the core on the sewincaster lines is 20lbs braid, with 30lbs mono on the clear sink-tip section. Don't quote me on that though! I think Illtyd' in Norway at the moment, but would happily update you/us when he returns.

TT.

[ACW]

Ella/PIB why not talk to Wellard and Scott they should put you rigth on the BS and possibly replace the line !|\

[Salmonella]

It was the one with a type 6 head. It's probably my fault; but I wanted to test the rest of the line. Truth be told I've been using it for Bass and it could well have been damaged by barnacles.

I was going to test the rest of the running line to 20 lb (assuming it to be 30 lb); but I'll wait for further advice.

I've even been using 19.6 lb tippets.:}


I'll snip off the broken piece; which was the loop that attaches to the backing.
If needs be I'll send it to Illtyd; but I've no intention of making a claim after the hard use it's had.


Ella

[speycaster]

can it be re-welded [ a new loop made ]ella,

[ACW]

Test cast one yesterday ,thanks SJF .
Absolutely superb lift back cast and straight out again ,almost effortless ,this was helped by the 10ft Scott ,any one got one going cheap !
I am as bigger fan of these now as I am of Carron lines for my big rods !

[speycaster]

just loaded my sewincaster lines on my new toy, a nautilus number 8 reel with two spare spools ,goes nice with my 10ft scott 8,weight four piece rod and bionic braid [30lb] am i becoming a tackle tart lol

[ACW]

Which model is the 10' Scott,a lovely rod as well told the sewincasters were designed around that rod .|\

[Salmonella]

That would be the Scott E2 10' #7 |\


However these lines also suit my Sage SLT 10' #8


How's that saying go? "Six of one; and a half dozen of the other" :>


Ella

[Salmonella]

can it be re-welded [ a new loop made ]ella,

I didn't want to re-weld (not that it broke on the weld) - so I whipped on a largish loop of 50 lb GSP braid.

I also tested the running line to 12 Kg. Hinting that it's probably at least 30 lb breaking strain; if not more.|\

Confidence restored. ~:.


Ella

[speycaster]

at least its ok now then ella, scott e.2. 10ft 8weight is the rod in question although the lines are fine on my xp10ft seven weight as well nice reel though lol

[SJF, Simon]

Which model is the 10' Scott,a lovely rod as well told the sewincasters were designed around that rod .|\

Aye - that was the E2 7wt. Glad you liked it, I'm chuffed to bits with how the pair match up.

[WCB]

If anyone wants a Sewincaster line then send me a pm.

Also if anyone wants a SA line let me know.

WCB

[de Selby]

Your email suggests you are giving these lines away WCB

Reported success indicates they may contain dark matter, it would be worthwhile to take the opportunity of examining one under scientifically controlled conditions.

[sewin2]

Dear Salmonella,
I am sorry that I have been a bit slow in replying to your email but have been in Norway for a week chasing salmon.
The core of the Sewincaster is 25lb standard (stretchy) core. This would under normal circumstances be sufficient to take any leader likely to be used on a single handed rod. Increasing strength standard cores does lead to slightly thicker profile lines and I personally do not see the advantage under normal circumstances.
This is the first one that I have heard of fracture - I must admit that I have used (abused) many of these lines over now their fifth season and I have failed to accomplish this! I was also surprised that it was the back loop - you must be an awesome caster!! :}
Having said that I am certain that if you contact Bob Wellard at Wellard & Scott he would replace it if you are at all unhappy.
I am glad you like the line and wish you great success with it.
On a different note I have tried these lines on Sage XP and SLT and SP, Guideline, Daiwa, Loomis, Hardy Gem, Grey's, Enigma as well as my favourite the Scott E2 rods and have found them to work on them all very well. I am sure there are other rods which I have not tried them on which would work very well also.
Illtyd

[Salarex]

Illtyd, have now got two of your lines and looking forward to testing them tomorrow night |\

[SJF, Simon]

Lost three fish last night, nothing to do with the lines, except if I had not been using one I would probably have not even reached the fish!

[speycaster]

i have the 3 sink and the intermediete i, also have the prototype sink tip from illtyd from three or four years ago which is excellent as well ,although i think the weld is mutch better on the later line , wouldnt be without them now in fact im so impressed with wellard and scott that ive just treated myself to another nautilus reel ,no 8 size and two spare spools to put my sewincaster lines on ,footnote , i have nothing whatsoever to do with the company just like there gear cause its good lol

[WCB]

PM's replied to.

Sorry i should have made it a little clearer i was not offering to sell the lines direct or cheaper then retail (Or free:eek:)as they are superb value as they are but rather i work as a agent for W&S on there wholesell side and wanted to make people aware of where they can buy the lines.

WCB

[Itchen]

I also have used the Sewincaster intermediate for the last couple of seasons and absolutely love it...

However on the last night session of the season in October I had an unfortunate coming together of the the last foot and my mate's lit cigar!!

As it stands I've lost the last 8 inches or so of the clear line and was wondering if that's going to be crucial to performance and turnover

Appreciate you thoughts

[speycaster]

shouldnt make much difference i have in the past cut a 15 ft tip down to ten ft with very little difference in turnover billyp

[sewin2]

Dear Itchen,
So sorry to hear of your mishap with the cigar - are you sure that your mate did not do it on purpose!:@

I have not tried the line with the tip reduced and would expect it to act reasonably but of course it will reduce the depth the fly will fish by a few inches and will become a little tip heavy for small flies although larger flies should not be a problem.

Let me know how you are getting on

Illtyd

[Itchen]

Illtyd/Billy

Thanks for your replies - As I sit here on 1st Feb its snowing outside and I guess I couldn't be further away from trying my now reduced tip on the line, but interesting points made all the same...

Will let you know what happens come the spring hopefully

Regards

Jeremy B